Dear GoreZone Magazine,
Firstly well done for have a glossy and fairly nice looking magazine that has managed to stay afloat during in a climate almost designed to make just that very difficult. It is definitely an achievement that a niche magazine has kept on keeping on, and I salute that.
I first bought GoreZone about a year, maybe a year and a half, ago when the mag was still in its relative infancy and I was thoroughly disappointed. So I decided I would stick to Fango. But then yesterday, I saw the mag in a shop in Manchester and spotted a review of Enzo Castellari’s Bronx Warriors movies. So I figured I would give it another whirl.
Now, I am not one of these guys who gets all heated about grammar and spelling but come on, this is just ridiculous. I’m assuming that none of your articles get proofread at all as the level of grammar and spelling really is atrocious. Which is something that needs to be rectified if you are going to continue calling yourself “The world’s most upmarket horror entertainment magazine”. Basic spelling and grammar are an absolute must for any professional looking publication, and when you skip on it it makes you look like a bunch of amateurs. And if some Mary Whitehouse type were to pick up the magazine as fodder for her latest crusade against people having bloody fun then she would probably think the horror community is a bunch of uneducated degenerates fixated on big boobs.
And so in lies my main problem with GoreZone: I don’t like that you assume that all horror fans want to see bikinied up girls flaunting it around. I’m a red-blooded male gorehound who loves the ladies, but when I pick up a horror magazine I want to read about what gory flicks are coming soon and about classic genre flicks that get our jugulars pumping. If I am honest the reviews are well written for the most part, and the features go into some level of depth which is good. Now just sort out the content.
Females are maligned in this genre we love as pure eye candy, or examples of pure evil. This is the most progressive genre in the world, the genre that showed up women can be heroes with films like the Night Of The Living Dead remake but even though people are striving to make something more of the genre, other people (such as yourselves) are dragging it back down. For example in your Christa Campbell VS Joe Bloggs piece, the question “Are big breasts accessory or necessity?” is thoroughly unnecessary, and Christa’s answer pretty much set the women’s movement back god knows how far “The bigger the better no? You have to get their attention somehow…”
It just really seems like “the world’s most upmarket horror entertainment magazine” is Nuts for horror fans (or even the celebrity obsessed Heat), as opposed to “Vogue for horror fans” as you have printed on your cover.
Now I’m no prude, I love the movies of Fred Olen Ray, Jess Franco, Russ Meyer and Jean Rollin but with Women In Horror Recognition Month on the horizon, lets just try and remember that there is more to women than lumps of fat on their chests. Be as progressive as the genre allows and focus more on the horror that all your readers love, as opposed to the scantily clad ladies (which I assume appeals to at least a percentage of your readers). Imagine what could be accomplished by a truly “upmarket” horror publication from the UK, that focussed on movies and the genre rather than the interchangeable commodity that are actors, that would truly be an achievement!
So GoreZone please: more horror, less half naked girls.
Regards,
Dangerous Jamie
Here is my point illustrated:
Cover removed to save my ass...
Cover stories Fangoria: Daybreakers, Legion, Dread, The Graves, Lake Mungo & The Crazies.
Cover stories GoreZone: Natasha Lyonne, Edi Gathegi, Cameron Diaz, Danielle Harris & Bobbi Sue Luther.
let's get dangerous_ 
I didn’t know about Women In Horror Month. Must plan some movies for that one. Does anyone have anything planned, do you know?
I know there are events popping up all over the place. Just stick into google. I will be attending something in Birmingham, I believe.
wow, thank you for writing this letter. I couldn’t have said it better myself!!!
hearts & butcher knives,
hannah
http://www.womeninhorrormonth.com
Great letter! I agree completely. Women are PART of horror, not just an accessory.
Regarding the level of proofreading, or lack thereof – I couldn’t agree more. Like yourself I too had high hopes for Gorezone & felt very let down by how shoddily assembled it tends to be. Like you say, the right components are in place for a really good magazine, one of the few of its kind in the UK; having attended the GZ film festival & met some of the writers I can attest to their intelligence, knowledge and enthusiasm. But it needs to be editing with considerably more care.
As regards sexism/objectification – it seems only fair to point out that Gorezone have also in recent months had Jesse Metcalfe, Johnny Depp, and of course Robert Pattinson on the cover, and as such are making some efforts to redress the balance. Nuts for horror fans might be stretching it a bit, but Heat for horror fans is I think a reasonable summation; their intent does seem to be to appeal to as mainstream a readership as possible. It’s a curious approach given that horror has always been embraced most by those wishing to reject the mainstream, but as I’ve said there aren’t many British magazines of this ilk around right now. I should hope the longer they run, the more the magazine will grow into a truly worthy rival to Fangoria.
There’s a bunch of events popping up. There’s a film fest in Dallas and one over in the UK. There’s a horror con in SF dedicated to women. Check http://www.womeninhorrormonth.com to find an event near you!
I think it’s great that the UK still has one horror movie magazine being published (one is better than none!) but I kinda gave up on Gorezone a while ago. It’s definately the most “low brow” horror mag I’ve read in a long time and seems to give horror fans a bad name. Too obsessed with sex,crappy “celebrities” (Jordan for f*cks sake!?) naked babes and hunks for my liking.
I’d prefer it if they started concentrating more on horror films – the classics as well as the latest below average dvd release.
I still wish them all the best but hope someone else produces a quality UK horror mag someday soon. I looked into it last year but came up against various obstacles I couldn’t overcome (money being just one of them).
Thanks for the comments Dangerous Jamie but you no what 424,000 readers disagree. I take all comments on board and I listen to all readers but unless they email me direct hey what am I to do? Listen to one blogger?
We have amazing strong females that write for us who will also disagree with your comments. Christa Campbell is having a laugh at herself which is what folk need to do more often. Anyway if you have the balls to email me do so my email is b.hammond@gorezone.co.uk if not then what was the point in this open letter? Trying to be cutting edge and controversial was so yeaster year! Happy Horror, hope you are all enjoying the FREE DVD.
Hi there Bryn, thanks for reading this and I hope you do take some of the comments on board. I tried my best to be constructive, but I do find myself quite upset that we (as a nation) can’t come up with something a bit more highbrow. You can see from some of the other comments that I am not alone in my criticisms of your magazine.
As for my balls, I do have them and an email is on the way to you forthwith!
“yeaster year”?
“you no what”?
No wonder the magazine is shite, the editor is an illiterate moron.
If you’re going to comment on a blog post criticising your publication sir, please try to do it in at least as articulate a manner as the post in question.
After reading this, I intend to avoid anything that bears the name GoreZone.
Avoid anything that bears the name GoreZone? Please don’t as our RPG SLA Industries has used the name for a few decades now. No, it’s not related.
You’d think, given the criticisms regarding proof-reading, or lack of it, that the editor might have taken more time to proof-read his own response rather than leaving a glaringly retarded spelling mistake in the very first sentence.
Previously, I wasn’t buying the magazine for the points you mentioned. Now, I won’t be buying it becuase the editor seems like a douche.
WOW you guys are way harsh gorezone is the best magazine on the market. You two seem like the douches i’m going to tell other readers who i no and get them to crash this site and basicaly run u out of town.
Gorezone is like a family all the readers and writers are one big happy family. We are like the mafia so u wanna watch out! Go bryan you are sooo cool!
Hi there Kerry, I appreciate you taking the time to read and reply to this post.
I don’t want to get personal, and can’t speak for my other readers, but to crash my site and “run me out of town” because I don’t agree with or like the same stuff as you.
Also, I would just like to point out that the editor (and likely patriarch of you GoreZone family)is named Bryn not Bryan.
Your a rude guy and have called him names. Is it because your a fright fest twat? U got personal by saying gorezone was shit i’ll be posting on the gorezone forum later and make sure we spam every site you work on until the crash…
I suspect this will fall upon deaf ears (or eyes in this case), but I never called anyone names and I certainly didn’t call anything “shit”. I would advise you to grow up and move on.
In the Police and Justice Act 2006, the United Kingdom specifically outlawed denial-of-service attacks and set a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison. Just thought you might like the heads up. Still, ten years in jail might give you some much needed time to perfect your grasp of the English language…
Kerry i see what you mean. But look at MovieDan he’s clincally over waight and sarah i’m sure is just dangerousjamie. Maybe dangerousjamie is gay??? Theres not errors in gorezone magazine maybe they can’t read. dangerousjamie theres men in the mag as well. Silly men! Crash the site,Crash the site, Crash the site…
Clearly you haven’t read the blog post, the sexism is a side note to the main point that GZ celebrates the on-screen talent more than the infinitely more influential, behind camera talent. Male or female, it doesn’t matter.
Yeah and the issue is? I like to read about the stars of the movie. I’m not watching Saw 6 for the director i’m watching it for the gore. I’m not watching poltergesit 3 for the director i’m watching it cause of the cast. Get a life…
I haven’t seen Poltergesit 3. Is it any good?
Do you think the gore comes out of the actors? There are dedicated teams of hardworking prosthetics people, make up designers, CGI people, and effects co-ordinators who all exist behind the camera. Not just the director.
dangerousjamie read the sfx lab then thats all about the gore. You a lame ass shit head that needs to get a life or a real job. I work in a tanning shop so i have a real job. MovieDan polter 3 is badddddddddd its in the latest issue of gorezone as well the cover is on there forum. Ditch this site and come to the dark side. I am your motheer!
This is heated but then what can they expect from making comments about Gorezone! I’d go for ZOO for horror fans rather than vogue but i read ZOO. Fangoria is shit! Always has been and Fright Fest is an old mans club!
Well, that about seals the deal for me. For certain readers to be rude, smug and ignorant is one thing; it’s quite another when the editor behaves in such a fashion. I’m cancelling my Gorezone subscription, and I should hope I won’t be alone in doing so.
I think it’s quite telling that no-one on the Gorezone side of the debate noticed the spelling mistake in my earlier post.
Also, I most certainly am not Jamie and call anyone’s weight or sexuality into question is really, really low.
I’m sure Bryn would be pleased to know that such prolific members of his Gorezone ‘family’ are dishing out petty and idle threats on his behalf.
Grow up.
ben i don’t think bryn has done anything wrong. To put an open letter like this about a magazine thats so great its just shocking.
I met you at the weekend of horror and have spoken to you many times on the forum so i’m very let down by u and sarah you have to much time on your hands.
On what basis? I run two businesses, I hardly have too much time on my hands. I’m merely a friend of Jamies who happens to agree with him.
Whatever happened to the fact that everyone’s entitled an opinion?!
Ben i’m shocked at you. GoreZone Magazine is one of the best magazines out. Lee chat later.
I can’t see any spelling errors in the magazine.
Wow. I’ve never read gorezone but wow.
The readers and staff sure know how to express themselves. Even to the point of censorship. A dos attack?
How old are we and since when was a blogger expressing an opinion a crime? We’re not in China!
Keep mixing it up!
Nasty man. Get a day job! Don’t be abusing gorezone because your part of fright fest.
The plot thickens – I’ve just been informed that the comment from Bryn Hammond was not in fact written by Bryn Hammond.
Would the real Bryn Hammond please stand up?
I completely agree. I bought Gorezone once and was quite taken aback by how badly written and derivative it was. There is definitely a gap in the market for a decent UK horror magazine.
I’m actually struggling to find the right words here. Not only is the post from GZ editor (regarding grammatical mistakes) full of errors, but the people who have written here above, its just… shocking. You keep watching films for their cast. After all, the cast write all their own parts, film, basically MAKE the film don’t they…idiot. Also referring to Jamie as a ‘rude guy’ for calling him names, then following that up by calling him a ‘twat’, are you the pot or the kettle? I’ve noticed plenty of mistakes within GZ (because I have the ability to read, unlike the apparant ability of some of its other readers) and for a while have hoped that it would get better. I am so glad that I decided against a subscription, and won’t be buying it again in future, I’ll leave it to the morons. I just hope that Emily Booth moves elsewhere…I’ll miss her!
Wow, I’m baffled by the majority of the comments here, tragically mostly from the Gorezone fans.
Jamie has a legitimate right to complain about his issues with the magazine, and vomiting comments like “You a lame ass shit head” and “You two seem like the douches i’m going to tell other readers who i no and get them to crash this site and basicaly run u out of town” and “But look at MovieDan he’s clincally over waight and sarah i’m sure is just dangerousjamie. Maybe dangerousjamie is gay???” suggests you’re rude, fattist, aggressive, presumptive and homophobic.
Hopefully this isn’t the case, and you’re just expressing your passion for a magazine you love very much. Gorezone IS poorly edited (no one has denied this on the ENTIRE thread), but I feel from your posts you don’t value well-written material, more the content. Fair enough, if this is what you require, but Jamie has the right to express his disappointment with Britain’s only horror magazine.
I can only presume from the comments made by the Gorezone fans that you all don’t want the Frightfest and Fangoria fans to read Gorezone. This includes myself. I’m wondering how Bryn feels about that? Surely he’d like to add to his 424,000 readers?
Also, I’d like to point out I LOVE horror films, and if I can find information from Gorezone, Fangoria, Empire, Total Film, horror websites and Frightfest then they’re ALL promoting horror and enjoying the same thing I am. Yes, Gorezone’s editing is pretty poor, the focus on celebrity rather than content can be frustrating and the structure may need improvement, but it provides a window into the horror film community that I we all need, but by ignoring suggestions on improvement and lobbing threats and insults around is only going to stop us evil Frightfesters and Fango fans from even contemplating picking the magazine up, and this damages the genre of film we all love.
I do not read Gorezone, and currently do not see an single argument above as to why I should. All I see is “it’s awesome”. Why is it awesome?
Perhaps let’s agree to disagree, and hope Bryn can learn from what has been said here and that he hasn’t been too mortally damaged by Jamie’s words.
Rock on,
Dave
Okay. Looking at all these comments I see a huge problem here.
First and foremost a lot of these comment made are open to slander and second of all none of you have clearly read GoreZone Magazine. I am an avid reader of anything horror related and I stumbled upon a copy of GoreZone a couple of years back and I am very happy with the style and look of the magazine. I am by far more happy with recent issues of GoreZone than I am of lets say Fangoria.
The latest issue for example has topics on Phobia, Shiroi Roujo, Air Terjun Pengantin and The Butchers tale, all topics which I find very interesting.
I can see the points made about Christa Campbell but not about the mistakes in the magazine. I think posters on such blog’s are little more than trouble causers and that also includes all of the above with little to do in there life but post of topics they think can get a reaction. I feel as a forum, topic poster I need to report this blog and I have done so to both GoreZone Magazine and the cyber police as I truly feel that this topic is unneeded hate post.
I have spoke to the GoreZone Team who are all amazing and extremely sweet and I gave them direction and they took it on board so all the above people who hide behind an email I think should go back to there day jobs and leave well alone.
Gorezone magazine is a cool magazine with intelligent topics and a great writing team. Maybe you shouldn’t prejudge. With my report now filed I think you will have to take your comments else were. I think bullying is nasty!
A well-reasoned comment from the other side! I appreciate your comments, and have to say that my post isn’t one of hate but more one of sad longing that the product isn’t as good as it could be.
I cannot, and wouldn’t, vouch for any of the people leaving comments on here (actually, I can say without a shadow of a doubt that Sarah is not me, but thats all I will address) whether they agree or not. In my post, I was stating how sad I am that the mag isn’t focussed more on the films and their makers as apposed to the stars and their organs.
I never denigrated the readers, and wouldn’t intend to, I just had some opinions which I wanted to share.
I have spoken with some members of the GZ staff since this has all blown up, and I have to say that some of those I have had correspondence with were really very nice, very civil, and very helpful. Some others, not so much.
Lastly, thank you for not calling me gay, or insulting any of the other commenters. If only the other GZ readers had taken this mantle up there might have been some extra respect lobbied GZ-wards.
Shock and disgust is all I can feel for this open letter and all of the comments above. This is no more than a hate campaign that needs to stop! I think if the open letter had been posted directly to the GoreZone Magazine team as apposed to online then the filthy comment above would not have been made.
Disgusting I am at this point sad to be a horror fan. I as have Garry met Ben at the GoreZone movie festival and I am annoyed at his axe grinding attack on the editor who I have found a delight. As for grammatical mistakes I have found none in any of the issues I have purchased does that make me illterate? I think this post should be removed completely and I feel that anyfurther posts should be done in an articulate manner. The people against the magazine are as bad as the people for, bar one comment. Makes me feel ashamed to be apart of the community.
I will contunue to support Gorezone magazine and I will continue to enjoy every issue, issue 53 is by far the best. I think people like Moviedan who have made dreadful and shameful comments should sit back and actually feel bad for bashing and abusing the only UK horror magazine that still alive.
If Gorezone goes down whats that say for the horror industry?
Speaks volumes. When all in-print has gone the studios want have a medium to promote and they will start shipping everything direct to DVD and without Gorezone I wont no the titles are out there and then sales will slump and bam… Horrors dead!
Think before you bash things you no nothing about I have reported this topic to info@gorezone.co.uk.
“Lastly, thank you for not calling me gay, or insulting any of the other commenters. If only the other GZ readers had taken this mantle up there might have been some extra respect lobbied GZ-wards.”
Attention seeking is silly and i bet you will get more hate mail than support from this post.
Gorezone magazine is one of the most dynamic and bold print titles of this decade sad to see you rag on it.
@Stabilo:
You know what “open letter” means, right? Just saying, ‘cos, you know, if he’d sent it straight to the GZ team, well that’s pretty much just a regular letter. Anyway, that’s just an argument of semantics, and you being an idiot, so I’ll address some more salient points:
You may have found the editor to be a delight; the image I’ve garnered from both here and on the forum is that of an illiterate, childish fool. I think, to be totally frank, if GoreZone is the best this country can come up with, then the horror print scene died with Fango, and it will continue to thrive in small communities – film nights, festivals, other (more literate) fora, etc.
For you to describe a decently-written, thoroughly polite critique of a fairly shoddy magazine as a “hate campaign” makes me wonder whether you’re a bit new to this whole “internet” thing. You must be. (As an aside, the reason you haven’t spotted any grammatical errors in GZ IS because you’re illiterate, yes. Your posts are full of grammatical and spelling mistakes.)
I notice, though, that you’ve made no attempt to excuse or explain the blatant trolling by GZ readers on this blog, even though you’re prepared to libel Moviedan as “dreadful” and “shameful”, but, for instance, wilfully ignore Jenny’s “Maybe dangerousjamie is gay????” post.
You can report this blog to GZ all you like, 1) They’re already aware of it, and 2) This is the internet, freedom of speech lives here. They can’t control the content of an external blog any more than the “cyber police” can take down this “bullying” post (or this comment – cock piss wee, you’re a fucking moron, die in a fire)
Toodles.
“the cyber police”?
lol.
Comments like that. Sad. Very sad. Gorezone magazine is a great magazine. Intresting topics and diverse writers. The comments above are to perfectic to comment on.
“perfectic”?
lol.
goregoregirl get off your fat ass and do a mag your self then! You are all lazy duffers that talk a pile of shit.
I think your prejudgment is wrong and you all should stop wanking off and get day jobs.
Wow – some clever and constructive criticism. Well done. If you’re referring to me, and my balanced argument above, I will indeed cease masterbating immediately, resign from my current 9am – 6pm London-based office job and get a new job to your liking.
What do you do, EB? Presumably as you’re also on here, commenting so intelligently, you must also be having some personal time and be utterly jobless.
I will refrain from talking any more piles of shit, especially for you, as you so kindly asked this old duffer not to.
I appreciate your help and innovative ideas.
Rock on,
Dave
Bright spark as well. Why? Why comment on such shallow minded comments? To fuel the fire thats out of control?
If you do have a 9am – 6pm London-based office job then can i suggest you act like it and raise above comments made by EB. We are horror fans but we are also bright. At least i am.
Fair comment Stabilo – sometimes the bitter sarcasm gets twisted out of me when people act so mindlessly.
Hah! Wow, this is pretty crazy. A guy can’t even write about his disapproval over a product without people literally threatening criminal action against him?
Cyber Police, haha! Is it illegal in the UK to write up a negative review? This whole situation is pretty rad. Way to go Jamie! Fight the power!
Send you disapproval over a product to the manufactories. Topics like this will no doubt cause upset to readers. I have bought issues in the past and disagree with all Jamies comments. Reveiws are good, articles are good but i just can’t afford the mag. If i could id buy it every month. I think some of the comments made above are made by 5 year olds who havent read the mag. I’m a little pissed off by these comments to say the least i think you all need to grow up.
“manufactories”?
lol.
You’re an idiot.
e110 e110 e110, what’s all this then?
Move over Cyber Police, this is a job for….. the Cyber FBI!
Gravatar let you down there, your identity is revealed.
I, as a foreigner who’s read Gorezone and didn’t enjoy it for the exact reasons mentioned by Jamie in his blog entry, am really shocked by the comments posted by a lot of people, mainly Bryn from Gorezone’s “supporters.” I think Jamie’s comments are totally fair and the criticism he makes about the magazine is actually constructive.
Bryn, no offense but I personally can’t stand people who can’t spell and I actually find the fact Gorezone is full of typos very offensive towards its readers. I mean, even if most of them seem to be about as smart as the readers of the Daily Star (with fascist tendencies, based on most of the comments in this entry…) that’s not the case of everyone who wants to read your magazine and pictures of actresses with big boobs aren’t enough for myself as well as thousands of other horror fans to make us forget about the appalling spelling and grammar mistakes. But maybe avid readers and horror nerds such as us aren’t the kind of people you’re targetting with Gorezone? In which case, I find it sad you need to use a noble and dedicated art such as horror cinema to sell some more copies of your rag.
All the best.
I dont think any of yu read gorezone at all funny you all say the same and theres no errors. Verty strange
Are you suggesting that we’re all one person because we can all spell? By the same token, are you all one person because none of you can spell?
*don’t *you *GoreZone *there’s *Very
And you need a comma or two in the first sentence. I’d suggest you see no errors because you’re barely literate.
Also Scullion, how can you misspell such an important word as “mastUrbating”? Come on mate…
Apologies. I was only typing with one hand, after all…
Dangerous Jamie is well fit xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
You aren’t The Hannah, she is tucked up in bed!
are u blined he looks like some victim of west hollywood
So, let me get this straight. A regular guy writing on his own PERSONAL blog, is not allowed to dislike something, for his own, well argued reasons. And not only is he allowed to dislike it, he is not allowed to SAY that he dislikes it, without threat of criminal action.
BUT. What happens when a reviewer for GZ doesn’t like a movie it is reviewing. Should they e-mail the director? If they dislike a book do they write a letter to the author?
No… thought not…
bentlegs your a sad defender of a loser werido
I love all the negativity. Am sure Mr Dangerous is allowed to his own opinion, much like I am. Also, I am pretty damn sure he wouldn’t take offence if you were constructively criticising something he had written etc etc.
However, it is also nice to see a good amount of people at least accepting its his opinion and his views.
*claps hands and gives a brofist*
Its called free speech, deal with it or move on!
All the people on here are fucking retards. Most of them havent read gorezone but they attack it. Strange ay. Seems like he is an attention seeking whore that can only get a profile lift from writing about popular culture.
Hi dez, I’m not sure if you are aware but this blog is about popular culture. Pop culture doesn’t give my blog a lift, but actually provides the very reason for existing.
I’m an “attention seeking whore”? I have read GoreZone and didn’t attack it. Can you say the same for my blog?
All of the negative comment are by retards that no nothing about the magazine i buy it and dont see any of the turd he talks about but then look at the state of him hes a fucking retarded asshole that needs to talk about something else.
Dez, you seem like a very angry individual. Have you ever considered therapy? It’s ok to feel, embrace your inner sensitive side.
CRAZY TOPIC! Your all freaks if you ask me! Talk about headline grabbing. Is your day job as a DJ not going well Dangerous Jamie? You all sad cunts that really need to get lives. GoreZone magazine is a cool mag that i 4 one will continue to buy and keep. They have FXS, CELEB, DIRECTORS INTERVIEWS the lot. Listening to someone who can’t get a job in print media is pretty sad. What are you all sheep?
agreed it makes no sense its just an evil hate campaign.
God Jamie… Look at the state of you. That is after all THE most important point to be made here…
Your nob cheese total dick
You’re nob cheese. Total dick.
Learn to write sentences first. You learn grammar from GZ?
I hope Bryn is reading all of this. He must be SO proud of you all.
Why is this comments section full of illiterate mincing wazzocks?
Mind you, it’s good to see GoreZone making themselves look a bunch of Dribbling Deacons with THE MOTHERFUCKING E-COURT.
The author thinks Gorezone is unmitigated wank. Unmitigated sexist wank. He’s not stating anything as facts, only as his opinion, which he is entitled to on his personal blog, I’m sure.
When Gorezone give a film a bad review, or say it’s a bit shit in a feature do they get taken to E-Court?
Absolutely fucking pathetic.
loser. Make some sense. Gorezone ROCKS!
Read it again, Step By Step. If you Hang Tough in there, yoy may get it by Tonight.
Dear Gorezone readers,
Why should I read Gorezone instead of Fangoria?
Just wondering, because so far the only arguments I’ve found is that a.) Gorezone rocks, b.) Jamie is a fucking retard c.) Anyone who dislikes Gorezone, or even suggests it might not be the best magazine in the world is, basically, a nob cheese dick retard asshole.
Please tell me (without branding me a donkey-raping shitmonkey) why I should read Gorezone magazine over any other horror publication (online or otherwise)? I’d genuinely like to understand why you think it rocks so hard.
Cheers,
The Scullion
Why should you buy gorezone. Simply because its a great read.
Gorezone is beyond the same fodder that Fangoria or Rue Morgue puts out its a horror glossy in the same way Vogue is a celebrity glossy.
It maybe not to everyone’s tastes but its by far the best horror magazine i have ever read. I found the topic on Nicolas Cage and Season of the witch both informative and intresting and both me and my girlfriend could enjoy it for different reasons.
For me it was for the horror elements and the movie and how cage has tryed the horror pool to little succes and for my girlfriend the gossip side of cages brak down.
I love suzi’s column when you get past the FUCK shes sexy she is very intresting. Issue 53 she intreviewed an SFX artist blowing Dangerous Jamie open letter into bullshit no mans land.
The issue also had a SFX lab on how to create a horror scare crow by the guy behind Dog house. Bobbi sue interviewed cast of Mothers day remake and the director of Air Terjun Pengantin talked about making movies in far east.
The open letter makes no sense to me at all but hey i’m not the writer. Previous issues of gorezone magazine looked at retro horror like Howling 4 and interviewed the puppeteer his name escapes me as im at work and dont have the copy with me.
In the same issue they talked about why werewolf movies are box office flops and interviewed the director Kevin Lindernmuth and the director of Brazillian horror Mud Zombie.
In the same issue as well they interviewed the director of Train.
I think that the open letter is little more than bullshit and like me i think gorezone is the holy grail.
The Scullion i think you havent read an issue or if you have maybe your fighting your friends corner.
Liam
Cheers Liam – an informative and reasoned response. Really appreciate it.
I have actually read Gorezone in the past, but will admit I haven’t read it for a couple of years. Perhaps it is time I pick up a copy to see if it’s improved.
Personally I have never met Jamie and barely passed two words between us! Although we both write for Gorepress I think he’ll agree our taste in movies vastly vastly differ (Bad Biology, Jamie?), but clearly our feelings on Gorezone do not! Each to their own, fella.
I believe his “open letter” was reasoned and passionate and I agreed with the majority of it, but understand why people would be upset by it, especially if you consider Gorezone to be the Holy Grail.
Whatever the case, cheers for the sensible response and not calling me a retard. I’ll pick up a Gorezone when I next see one, and see if it’s changed since late 2008. Fingers crossed.
Rock on,
The Scullion
Oh, I forgot to add – Jamie’s point in regards to the inaccuracy of Gorezone saying it’s “Vogue for Horror Fans” is definitely true.
I love horror, I love women, but please check the Gorezone site for their International Film Festival advert (link below) and tell me what it’s actually advertising. Horror or breasts? You decide.
http://www.gorezone.co.uk/gorezone_weekend_of_horror_2010.html
Just a point. As I said, I’ll pick up a recent Gorezone before calling it “Nuts for Horror Fans”.
Cheers,
Dave
she has a great set of tits
“I’m assuming that none of your articles get proofread at all as the level of grammar and spelling really is atrocious”
Thats slander wow!!!
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Forgive me, I type this from my phone. All mistakes are coincidental, I have a brain and I do like horror.
So the comments above are very entertaining. They basically breed hate and censorship from one half of the pitch.
While the other half try to keep things on a level that keeps the debate alive.
I just have to say I’m loving every comment that appears here, even those accusing others of Slander… well if the shoe fits. You know the saying.
You might be challenging some of the disgruntled readers here to take a highlighter to their collection to prove that gorezone is a mistake ridden mess.
The only problem is by calling Jamie a twat and attacking folks like Dan… You have voided your arguements or any objections you have against the post in general.
I just have to add, I think working in a tanning salon is a marvelous profession and the training in schools today, does not prepare one for the harrowing day to day stresses of cooking a persons flesh for minutes at a time.
See what I did there? All you’re gonna remember is that last part.
The blogging community is here for people to express opinions, I myself just gave Ong Bak: The Beginning a shitty review because it was suitably poor. I gave Pontypool a glorious review because it’s awesome! I did however slag off the Pontypool film makers for their audio commentary, was I wrong? Not in my opinion.
There are no tits in Pontypool so has Gorezone reviewed it?
Yes they did and clearly you have read gorezone because its not all tits and ass as the poster says i frankly dont no what magazine the poster is reading but it isnt gorezone.
If your not a fan of tits and ass is the horror genre really the genre for you anyway? Friday the 13th anyone!!!
I havent seen any typos in gorezone and thats maybe because i’m not a fright fest fan like most of the above. Allan jones writes for Fangoria is one of you him? The bald guy? I think really your all repressed writers who cant get a job in print media so have to bitch about good hard working magazines like gorezone. Or are you scared of bracking the mould which gorezone has? The nicolas cage article has not one tit or ass picture nor does the grudge 4 and 5 which spreads over four pages. There reviews are amazing and i can say if it wasnt for gorezone mu friday night would be crap.
I think you all should support the genre instead of moaning and i think as well the open letter was to get attention.
Rings promote my site all over, sad fecker!
lol I hate to inform you but quite a few of us have written for print media.
It might not have been for the horror genre but I’ve written for a gaming magazine in the past.
Also, not all horror is tits and ass. Yes the slasher genre has an abundance of it but not all horror has to be mindless kills… Pontypool, Bug, Splinter and other films in recent years have proven that.
Horror can be psychological as well but then again films like “Werewolf she bitch in a manchester prison with a bucket fanny” being shown at gorezone events may have warped certain individuals minds.
Yes I am a Frightfester but I also attend other events like Grimm Up North and special screenings. It’s not a Frightfest vs Gorezone thing.
Its a case of certain people believing censorship is the way forward. Telling poor Jamie to keep his well informed opinion to himself.
I suppose most of you support Lord Mandleson’s evil reign of terror, he’d put cameras in every bog if he had the chance, to make sure that no one spoke out against him.
Lots of Love
Puppy
http://www.gorezone.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1266334794
Its says my point to the post completely. Fright Fest all the way so has a pop at gorezone. Your a fucking twat!
I appreciate you taking the time to read my post, and also appreciate your opinion, as you are entitled to it.
However, I feel inclined to inform you that the person calling themself Dangerous_Jamie on the GZ forum is not me, I never capitalise my moniker in such a way and I have some far more recent (and more attractive) pictures which I would use as an avatar. The grammar in those posts by this “Dangerous_Jamie” purporting to be me is pretty bad. I do my best to have good grammar at all times, including on message boards. That is just someone attempting to stir things up, in a not helpful, nor constructive, way.
Hello all. I’m GoreZone’s subeditor. Having come along out of curiosity, I see there’s quite the debate going on here.
I would like to point out that, as the sub, I’m responsible for the editing of written pieces. As a news analyst and editor for what was until recently a subsidiary of the FT, I’m partly employed for my skills in writing and grammar, which come from years of professional experience (and being a nerdy bookworm as a kid). I don’t see parliament complaining when they buy my reports. Also, there is nothing in the news, be it newspaper, television or radio, that doesn’t go through me at some point. I also edit for a couple of other film magazines, and I’ve worked under a couple of big cheeses in the horror scene in an editorial sense. Nobody has complained about my work yet; rather, everyone has been very happy with me. I take pride in this, and subbing is something I very much enjoy. The English language is beautiful!
I digress. My point is, other than the odd exhausted evening when sometimes the odd mistake is inevitable due to my poor weary eyes, I’m sure it’s logical to assume that, based on my background as an editor, it’s virtually impossible for the magazine to be littered with mistakes. Certainly not on my watch, and I’ve been part of the team for just over a year. I imagine those of you who say the magazine is dreadful in terms of grammar and spelling just haven’t read it for a while.
I have corresponded with Jamie and it’s been a polite exchange. I wish him a bright future in the scene and imagine I’ll bump into him at some point along the way. What I will say is that I asked him—out of genuine interest—to highlight a couple of mistakes for me. He declined, stating that this would not be constructive. There’s a lot to be concluded from this, I feel.
Also, for the record, I don’t see how we can be accused of being sexist. Yes, there are images of scantily clad women. However, our three regular female contributors provide all their images to us themselves, and if they choose to represent themselves in an unclothed way, so be it. They are in full control of the content on their pages, and I would say it is rather patronising to the women in question to suggest that they are being exploited in any way. I’m sure they’d agree with me. If sexism means giving women what they want, I say more of it!
I hope my post has shed some light on the matter. I won’t be coming back to check for responses as I don’t really have the time, but I felt this needed to be said.
I didn’t realise we were ok to discuss things that were said in private emails on this public forum.
I appreciate your reasoned tone, both in this message and the correspondence we have exchanged.
I can leaf through the mag, highlighter in hand, and get back to you with those mistakes, although that might upset your legal department who are maintaining that all correspondence should go through them as part of the threat of libel action.
It’s worth noting that this is the legal department, who ignored my pleas for them to point out which sections of the review were libellous, in following exchanges.
I respect the way that you are handling this situation, unlike some of your readers and colleagues, even though you won’t be back to read this.
Jamie, I have seen this, as I just wrote an addition. I am merely defending myself in a wave of criticism. I know you understand. With regards to correspondence, this is addressed to the critics, rather than yourself. Take care of yourself, you plucky chap.
Hi. Me again. Rather amusingly, I see two very obvious—and silly—mistakes by our friend Jamie here. Check out the title bar folks… how it SHOULD read is: An Open Letter to GoreZone Magazine «Let’s get dangerous_
Do you see? That’s pretty basic stuff.
Also, a section of his personal information on the left should read thus: (that’s 3-5pm UK people).
One of the same mistakes, repeated. I don’t know if apostrophes are accepted in title bars as I know little of web design, but the absence of it in the second example is—apologies, Jamie—hilarious, considering the debate at hand. Must say, it makes a change; usually it’s apostrophes all over the place that are the problem.
The same mistake appears in the blog above, along with other parts that I shall not bother highlighting, as the debate is about proofreading, not subediting. But you know, if people would like me to prove my worth, I’d be happy to sub Jamie’s blog, if I get a minute.
Oh, the irony… I think we’re done here, folks. Much love.
It’s subeditors who make writers look good, when sometimes they cannot do so on their own.
This is amazing one of the staff actually speaking ot. Thanks Naila, i think its great to put Jamie in his place as i read gorezone and can see nothing is correct what he says. Hes full of dog turd. Roll on next issue.
Hi Nathan,
Did you miss Bryn Hammond, editor of the magazine, comments way up there near the start?
Naila, the thing is I am just a chap sat in my bedroom commenting on the world as I see it. I don’t have “424,000+” readers each giving me £3.85, and if I did I would do my very best to make sure that not one mistake got through.
I believe in that post, you have let slip your mask. It could be perceived as petty nitpicking, although I’m not saying it is.
I don’t understand how an international publication with “424,000+” readers would take something like this so personally. When Eli Roth made it big with Hostel, a massive chunk of the horror community were quick to rip on the guy pretty hardcore. He took it, and so should you at GZ. This blog post is criticism, and not fact. Criticism is something to be expected for anyone successful.
I apologise for getting a bit snarky, but there is only so much petty bickering and name calling I can take.
Well to be honest, Eli Roth is a lazy film maker and makes wank films. When I went to an early showing of Hostel 2 on release with a mate. There were bald men in long coats dotted about the cinema.
All were alone and I hate to think what they were doing when the boobies came out and the blood started to flow.
Perhaps it’s time to bring this to a close as you’ll just have to keep repeating your comments, defending your opinion against some idiotic abuse.
My blog is littered with errors. I never re-read my posts. I type crap and hit publish.
If it makes sense, then hooray. If it doesn’t? Work it out for yourself you lazy fecker.
Bloggers write out of love for their chosen field, not to intentionally cause any upset or grief. We have an opinion and we have the right to express that.
Carry on Blogging!
You not what it would make sense to rip a publication you read. You a hand bag to the team at Fright fest and for your comments made about gorezone you deserve a smacked lip.
I don’t read gorezone and i’ve read all the comment on here and you sound just like your sour.
I have been to Fright Fest twice and it was twice to many some bald guy was rude to people and hung onto the celebs like a decoration. As for THE PUPPET the guy goes on about Idiotic abuse and he’s done it in his posts above.
Its a lame site that i only came on because i came via jesse metcalfe link and to go on about a horror magazine thats making a difference is so sad. Who are you trying to be Howard Stern??? Your letter is desprate and scream attention whore. You dont no katie price do you?
If i was the editor i’d smack u in the lip.
So its okay to bullshit your way through an open poster? Clear to any horror fan that reads gorezone you havent read an issue and by the way i hope they sue you white ass as some of the comment are slander, oh by the way for using a trade marked name is against the law.
“Such a pity!”
Get fright fest to do there own dirty work! I read you post of the gorezone forum.
I read Brins comments at the top and he was way to nice to you. I hope you get Bone Sickness.
You seek attention like a 5 year old.
Bone Sickness is now on DVD
Interesting, firstly you can’t legally attack this guy for making a sound opinion on an online blog, that’s pure lunacy. Secondly like the rest of you, for and against, he’s entitled to his opinion and belittling the guy for that is very fascist and quite horrendous, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Before you disagree with me and slander me let me say my piece. I was an avid reader of GoreZone for nearly 7/8 months, i stopped reading the magazine last year at around November. The content was going down hill fast with articles promoting the latest ‘alternative’ clothing ranges, double pages on the ‘GoreMates’ and the Music reviews, not every horror fan is into metal and punk i’m afraid. Sadly due to these unforgivable changes i stopped buying and as a consumer I’m entitled to say why.
The one good thing about the magazine though, minus the poor grammar etc, is that the bulk was in fact made of horror movies in cinema, in festivals or on DVD, i may not of agreed with some of them but at least they had a good stock of reviews per month.
Ben.
I have been reading Gorezone from issue 32 and i have seen no articles on ‘alternative’ clothing ranges’. What magazine are you reading? You sure its called Gorezone?
You have made your self look an even bigger fibber as the music section doesnt just have as you put it ‘metal and punk’, its packed with everything from soundtracks to R&B. Last issue they had Jay-Z, Peaches and Twilight 40th aniversay album.
‘Poor grammar’ another floor in your reply the spelling is all good from were im reading. But you are correct they have a great DVD review section if you stopped reading the magazing last year you wouldnt no if there was cinema reviews in there .
You mentioned festivals they don’t cover any,
”I sit and snigger and the smell of BULL SHIT”
The spelling is all good from where you’re sitting? Let me advise you on the mistakes made in that very post.
*doesn’t
*it’s
*anniversary
*flaw
*where
*magazine
*know
I sit and snigger at the smell of illiteracy. Go back to School.
A few serious questions…
Bryn, are you happy that your readership have (with the odd exception) proven themselves to be a bunch of hateful, bigoted illiterates?
Also, if your magazine has as high a circulation as you say it does, then why does a blog seen by a very small fraction of those bother you at all? Are you scared that there might be some truth to the claims that might drive them to buy a different publication?
Also, Niall, wouldn’t your time be better spent editing the magazine and making sure there really aren’t any mistakes, than replying to a pretty (no offence, Jamie) inconsequential blog post?
I’m sure bryn doesnt want such hate mail on line i no i think this is a cruel attack because the author is a fright fest fan.
I’d sue the lot of you your all mugs for posting hate full emails.
This post has nothing to do with any of the festivals I attend, and I find it ridiculous that people would make that assumption. I wasn’t even aware of any rivalry until it was pointed out to me by Bryn in an email.
This isn’t a cruel attack, it’s a constructive letter outlining where I think the magazine’s weak points are, and what I believe could be done to improve it.
The bulk of the hateful comments are coming from GoreZone side of the fence. I don’t put any stock in internet mud-slinging, and haven’t once said anything I can’t back up when necessary.
Liz.
Grow up you silly girl. Are you aware that the poster could get into serious trouble for his post.
I’d hate to be him if gorezones sales slump the month that relates to his post he will be in the firing line.
By the way i’m studying law so don’t patronise me, you don’t need to tell me to go back to school because while you still stack shop shelves i’ll be in court getting a nice pay check.
Another thing is he’s using a trade name and is using it as a form of protest another very bad thing.
He should really look in a law book and comparing a person Eli Roth to this is a very back analisis.
Eli could do people for slander or loss of work if he had the money, the company can do him for loss of earning potetional and or even damage.
Very bad.
Do you think the 900 hits I have had in the last few days will effect Bryn’s figure of “424,000+” readers?
You are a law student, and yet you said my comments are slander. Being a law student, you should clearly be aware, that in the print media and the internet, it is called libel. There is nothing libellous in my post, so they cannot bring any libel action against me. Did I not mention that I am a journalism student, and libel law is a big part of my course.
Also GZ Reader, if you had read my comments further up then you would know that the person calling themselves Dangerous_Jamie on the GoreZone boards is not me, and someone impersonating me probably just to stir things up over there.
Judging by the two posts they have made, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was one of your lot.
Does not matter 900 hits are 900 hits.
I’m afraid you will be banged to rights.
As its an open letter using a brand name thats (C)Copyright i’m surprised they havent made you take the name down as it could cost you anywere between 10k and 50k.
If libel law is a big part of your course i’m surprised you have been so niave to do what you have done and print the cover.
Doesnt matter the cover has been removed as there will be a print of it on the net. Images can cost a lot of money and to use one without permission is dumb. You used it you pay for it.
My advise to you would be run for the hills. I really mean it, you can’t call the freedom of speech either as your causeing harm to people who follow and are blinded by your impression.
Theres a term used a lot called ‘SLUG’ and your banged to rights.
If they have a cancelled subscription or a lost sale you gunna be smacked so hard by a law suite. I mean it if i was you i’d get advice from your tutor as he will advise you on does and don’t this hole post is a don’t.
Your silly and naive.
Dear GZ Reader,
Where are you studying law, exactly? I’d really like to know.
Yours Sincerely,
The Scullion
“law suite” lol.
I weep for the future of our judicial system. You can’t sue for a negative review. Also, the word you’re looking for is “trademark”, not copyright, since copyright applies to the works, not the name of a brand.
I suggest you spend more time studying law and less time trolling blogs. You moron.
Erm, ok.
You claim to be studying law yet have no knowledge of it. Nothing in the blog post is libellious or illegal in ANY way. No lawyer in the World would accept this case. Anyone can use any trade name or image as long as they’re not making money from it and are presenting their opinion as just that, an opinion. Nothing here is in any way illegal. Apart from the multitude of threats coming from the Gorezone readers, of course….
Eli Roth make movies that are open for public consumption and scrutiny, he couldn’t sue anyone for stating an opinion.
I’ll go back to ‘stacking shelves’ now, shall I? Read. Engage brain. Then type. That way you might not sound so ill-informed in future.
Are you a ‘law student’ in the same way that Gillian McKeith is a ‘Doctor’?
Liz.
Have to point out that the thread above is libellous. I don’t want to be a kill joy on the party but what ‘dangerousjamie’ seems to forget his comments made come into various brackets:
.Harmful
.Discredit
.Malign
Your post lowers the reputation of the company name in the eyes of right-thinking members of society as you can see from all the comments above.
Your post may cause embarrassment and could affect the reputation of the magazine. Different people may have varying thresholds of embarrassment.
Whilst the post viewed in isolation may appear to be innocuous (having little or no adverse.), its post in your context is conveying damaging imputations, causing the subject to be defamed (Law to attack the good name or reputation of; slander; libel.)
Below is the Deformation of libellous;
adjective defamatory, false, untrue, malicious, maligning, disparaging, vilifying, derogatory, scurrilous, injurious, vituperative, slanderous, traducing, denigratory, calumnious, aspersive.
A little rhyme we are tort in law about the use of a ‘company name’ or a name of a ‘brand’ “Regard your good name as the richest jewel you can possibly be possessed of – for credit is like fire: when once you have kindled it you may easily preserve it, but if you extinguish it, you will find it an arduous task to rekindle it again.”
My advice is to remove the post at your earliest convenience.
Lisa
GZ Reader, you comments have been noted and duly ignored.
I wonder if the magazine this post is about have to pay whenever they use the name of a film? Actually, I don’t, because you and I both know that they don’t.
Is it really possible that the whole of the GZ readership are so screamingly illiterate?
The least they could do is turn on the little red squiggles and make an attempt. Especially when they are trying to defend their hallowed read.
You suck at pretending to be a law student GZ reader. With your level of literacy, you’d be lucky to become a public defender assigned to shoplifting cases.
I suggest you acquaint yourself with Section 30 of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 and then stop talking rubbish. Jamie didn’t even need to take the magazine cover down, legally speaking, and I defy you to present a written law or case precedent that states otherwise.
If you are a troll, congratulations, you’re quite good at what you do. If you are a law student, the country is doomed.
Have to point out that the thread above is libellous. I don’t want to be a kill joy on the party but what ‘dangerousjamie’ seems to forget his comments made come into various brackets:
.Harmful
.Discredit
.Malign
Your post lowers the reputation of the company name in the eyes of right-thinking members of society as you can see from all the comments above.
Your post may cause embarrassment and could affect the reputation of the magazine. Different people may have varying thresholds of embarrassment.
Whilst the post viewed in isolation may appear to be innocuous (having little or no adverse.), its post in your context is conveying damaging imputations, causing the subject to be defamed (Law to attack the good name or reputation of; slander; libel.)
Below is the Deformation of libellous;
adjective defamatory, false, untrue, malicious, maligning, disparaging, vilifying, derogatory, scurrilous, injurious, vituperative, slanderous, traducing, denigratory, calumnious, aspersive.
A little rhyme we are tort in law about the use of a ‘company name’ or a name of a ‘brand’ “Regard your good name as the richest jewel you can possibly be possessed of – for credit is like fire: when once you have kindled it you may easily preserve it, but if you extinguish it, you will find it an arduous task to rekindle it again.”
My advice is to remove the post at your earliest convenience.
You’ve posted that in response to several people, all of whom are on Jamie’s side of the debate. You haven’t posted it in response to anyone on the Gorezone side of the debate. I think that speaks volumes, personally.
By the way, it’s spelt ‘defamation’. Deformation is something entirely different.
I have never read such disgusting, illiterate, vile filth from so-called “horror fans”.
Gorezone readers and certainly the editorial staff should be absolutely ashamed of themselves for the poisonous and immature posts all started because a person voiced some constructive criticism about a magazine.
I decided to buy the latest issue of Gorezone recently after giving up on it many months ago. I certainly won’t be buying it again. Aside from the readers revealing themselves to be the most illiterate and disgusting Jeremy Kyle Show rejects, the magazine itself was of a very low standard. The majority of the reviews were badly written and yet again there was page after page of Gorezone “Goremates” as well as pages featuring such horror-related material as “hair gel”, viagra and “hard-on cream”. Classy.
The “free dvd” boasted a full-length feature film as the bulk of it’s content. I couldn’t even sit through 10 minutes of this amateur piece of rubbish seemingly filmed by students on a camcorder.
I’m afraid Gorezone gives true horror fans and film fans a bad name and now just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
I don’t know if this reflects what a sad state British society is in right now or if this is just a few nasty individuals tainting the majority, but this would never have happened in the days of House of Hammer and World of Horror.
Dangerous Jamie,
Thanks for your post. Interesting food for thought. I’m one of the said writers for the aforementioned monument of illiteracy, and though I cannot speak for the other writers I can say that I’ve never had any problems with the way my work has been edited. It’s somewhat out of my jurisdiction really though to comment on issues of editing and what-not. As per the content however, I’d like to just point out a few things…
Firstly, I take issue with the idea that actors are an interchangeable commodity. I don’t think you meant this to sound as rude as it did, but I know plenty of actors out there who’d be a bit miffed to be viewed as such. Of course certain actors are better than others, and certain actors hired only for rather superficial reasons, but they are artists when all is said and done. They’re very important to the creative process and I think labelling them as an interchangeable commodity doesn’t reflect reality. Certainly it’s not reflective of productions I’ve been involved in. Unless you’re coming at it from the uber-capitalist P.O.V. that everyone and everything is a commodity in some way then I can’t say that I agree with your reasoning.
As per the scantily clad ladies and the progressiveness of the genre… Firstly ‘progressive’ is a very loose discourse at best. I’m assuming you mean progressive in the ‘allowing females to be equal to men’ sense. In which case, ‘progressive’ is seen from a primarily feminist and secondarily liberalist perspective. I disagree that any paradigm based on duality, and certainly a duality founded upon genetic or social pre-determinism is progressive. Within this paradigm every individual, as depicted in a work of fiction, can be made, when seen through the appropriate filter, to be a representation of whatever ideology the viewer doesn’t like this week. At no point is the individual ever seen as an individual, only as the representation of a greater collective. There’s no individual will at stake here, only collectivism, which I think is highly unprogressive at best and downright dangerous at worst. To me it’s quite offensive. Now that’s just a very general critique of the feminist analytical model you seem to be appropriating. Looking at horror more specifically, it’s a tit for tat genre. For every ‘strong female,’ there’s a ‘dumb slut.’ And what of men in the equation? Most men in horror are depicted as hormone-addled idiots, void of any self-will, badly educated, and utterly slaves to their id. If I were to view them as representations of men in general… well I’d be quite offended frankly! But I don’t. I see these characters as representing themselves as individuals, not me or any other chappie.
Looking at it outside the feminist bubble though… If a person wishes to depict themselves in a state of undress then it’s their choice as an individual. They shouldn’t have to conform to any outside ideology be that misogynistic or feminist. As long as the women in question don’t feel they’ve been portrayed in a manner against their wishes then it is fine in my book.
I’m quite happy to look at such piccies. On a purely aesthetic level it makes a nice contrast to the stereotypical gore that you expect (especially considering the title of the mag). At the end of the day though I’m not a gorehound in the slightest, so there’s an implicit bias here. I can appreciate the reasoning of people who think anything horror related should come with plentiful lashings of the red stuff, but I don’t remotely agree with it. The best horror films, and certainly the best in horror literature, are pretty much goreless in my view.
Criticism is always good, so thanks for it. But I don’t agree with your political biasing, nor your take on commoditisation of acting. I guess you’ll equally disagree with mine. If it so be, cool.
Hi Andy,
This might come as a surprise, but when I was reading through the issue I have to find errors to back up my claims, I wrote on my notes that “Andrew McQuade’s book reviews are super well written!”. I trust that is you. I was so surprised by the quality, I just had to write it down, I couldn’t face the True Blood piece though, after forcing my way through The Vampire Diaries piece.
In some ways I agree with your views on the feminist model, and various people find empowerment in many different places but I couldn’t find an image of any female in the issue I have to hand that was anything less than stunning. I guess that’s why you are Vogue for horror fans.
When I was talking about “interchangeable commodity”, I was really talking more about how actors tend to span many genres while a lot of horror writers and directors work specifically in the genre. But in response to the points made, do you really think Christa Campbell in Bobbi Sue Luther’s role in Night Of The Demons would have drastically altered the film? A lot of actors do bring creativity and their own charms to the table, but some are merely window dressing.
I appreciate your comments, Andy, you know your stuff and aren’t patronising or rude so keep that up!
Thanks for the reply. Glad you approve of my book reviews.
I’ve not had the pleasure of meeting Christa Campbell yet, but most actors I’ve met have always been very involved in the creative process. They all bring something to the character. How much they bring varies considerably. Really great actors bring so much to each role that you have a hard time believing that the said actor isn’t secretly harbouring multiple personalities!
A lot of the time I think the real issue is simply bad writing. If characters are written so one dimensionally that they allow next to no breathing room for the artist to interpret the role, then my sympathies are with the actors. However, I will grant that a truly great actor knows how to do lots with little. You tend to find that the few good mainstream actors who know their craft do it very well because they know they’ve got to work miracles with next to nothing. I tip my hat to them.
I certainly won’t deny the window dressing aspect in horror (or any other genre for that matter), but I know a good many actors and I also know they have a lot more creative involvement with their characters than they are credited with.
I get what you’re saying with the ‘commodity’ thing, but I think it’s too strong a term and doesn’t reflect the realities of film production myself.
There’s an awful lot of factors that define why actors span different genres (though porn may be the exception), yet directors ‘stay loyal’ as it were. For example you tend to find that actors dedicate themselves to playing as many different and diverse roles as they can. In their trade, that’s THE mark of success. So the art of being an actor, as a craft, has different aspirations to what a director has. It’s quite acceptable for a director to work within one genre and be seen as respectable, whereas if an actor does so they’re seen as ‘not a serious artist’. Yes it’s a double standard, but it’s also one that most actors I know have no problem with.
Hi Andy,
Thanks for getting back to me, sorry your post didn’t get approved immediately. It somehow found its way into my spam section, funny how this is the first one to do so. It might be worth pointing out (for other readers, and not yourself, Andy) that all comments on here are subject to my approval, and if your comment about how fat someone is, or how gay I am, or even about me getting “bone cancer”, end up posted on here, it is because I value freedom of expression.
In relation to your actual message (sorry, got a bit sidetracked there…), “commodity” is a strong term and one I may think twice about before using again. Really great actors in the horror genre are few and far between though, I think it is safe to say. And while range and diversity are truly the mark of an exceptional actor, it is an in depth interview, with someone who has acted in one horror film and had no interest in the genre until publicising the movie, that I take particular issue with.
I agree that it is a double standard, some genre actors (Henriksen, Jeff Coombs, even David Hess, and loads more) are capable of some truly mesmerising performances. But I believe that horror directors and writers stay within the horror genre because they love it passionately, in the same way that we (well, I at least) do.
Dear dangerousjamie
Have to point out that the thread above is libellous. I don’t want to be a kill joy on the party but what ‘dangerousjamie’ seems to forget his comments made come into various brackets:
.Harmful
.Discredit
.Malign
Your post lowers the reputation of the company name in the eyes of right-thinking members of society as you can see from all the comments above.
Your post may cause embarrassment and could affect the reputation of the magazine. Different people may have varying thresholds of embarrassment.
Whilst the post viewed in isolation may appear to be innocuous (having little or no adverse.), its post in your context is conveying damaging imputations, causing the subject to be defamed (Law to attack the good name or reputation of; slander; libel.)
Below is the Deformation of libellous;
adjective defamatory, false, untrue, malicious, maligning, disparaging, vilifying, derogatory, scurrilous, injurious, vituperative, slanderous, traducing, denigratory, calumnious, aspersive.
A little rhyme we are tort in law about the use of a ‘company name’ or a name of a ‘brand’ “Regard your good name as the richest jewel you can possibly be possessed of – for credit is like fire: when once you have kindled it you may easily preserve it, but if you extinguish it, you will find it an arduous task to rekindle it again.”
My advice is to remove the post at your earliest convenience.
Lisa
Hi Lisa,
I hope that “tort” was a legalese pun, as it certainly gave me a chuckle. I do believe that it is not libellous to have an opinion, or, indeed, to state it. Brand name and copyrighted material use is protected by fair dealing, which states that it is ok for purposes of criticism or review.
Jamie.
You have posted a legal request on http://www.journalism.co.uk.
. ‘I’m assuming that none of your articles get proofread at all as the level of grammar and spelling really is atrocious.’
Above line alone is discrediting and traducing. I will happily advise you email me at lisa_71_london@hotmail.co.uk .
Please NO one else email me.
Lisa
So you expect me to seek advice from someone who can’t tell the difference between a journslism website and a legal website?
I think I would rather take my chances alone.
Jamie.
That is fine by me. My advice is here. I am currently studying BA (Hons) Business Management and Law. Currently I am developing skills in legal analysis and reasoning.
I have a great understanding of the importance and role of law in a business context. In the above posts a member of your site mentions a cover used for your example?
If a cover/Image has been used the owner has legal recourse. The publicity you have made may not be substantial however the damages awarded to the owner of the Cover/Image could be.
The owner of the image has all rights to take a cease and desist action, in effect, shutting you down. You are in violation of copyright law.
Most designs. Logos and brand names In-print/internet are subject to copyright and likley trade mark rights and permission must be obtained ‘ALWAYS’ before you can reproduced/Re-print.
I will happily selected extracts from above post to higlight some libellous comments if you email me.
Lisa
But, they cannot pose a cease and desist action on me for the use of the image (which wasn’t even hosted here, and was found on google images), as I have ceased, and desisted, having the image on my blog post.
Hi Jamie.
That is a very ignorant way of looking at it. Its very clear that your not aware of the serious implications.
“which wasn’t even hosted here, and was found on google images!”
Nothing modern and creative is in the public domain anymore unless the owner explicitly puts it in the public domain(*). Explicitly, as in you have a note from the author/owner saying, “I grant this to the public domain.” Those exact words or words very much like them.
You used an image on https://letsgetdangerous.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/an-open-letter-to-gorezone-magazine/#comment-171 to use as an example to substantiate your post. It is important to remember that when it comes to the law, computers never make copies, only human beings make copies. Computers are given commands, not permission. Did you have permission to use the image you found on google images?
Just to back up my point you should take a look at the 2007 filed case illustrating the application of a libel claim in a blogging case similar to this in NY, Stuart Pivar v. Seed Media, 2007cv07334, Filed August 16, 2007, in New York Southern District Court.
If the oweners ask you to remove defamatory statements from the web and you ignore; if the case went to court they are more than in there rights to get an injunction to block further libel; ask for special damages; and componsation damages for defamation, emotional distress, and loss of reputation.
Seriously you do not have a leg to stand on.
Lisa
US law and British common law precedents are very different.
But my point was, they asked me to remove the image, and I did. If the owners highlight the defamatory or libelous statements, as I have requested, then I may review said portions of the post.
Jamie.
“If the owners highlight the defamatory or libelous statements, as I have requested, then I may review said portions of the post.”
You shouldn’t be making any requests at this point. If the owners have asked you to remove the post; I presume they have? Don’t answer that openley. They are looking at the post as a whole, as being, either or, defamatory or libelous. If I was representing the publication i would go for ‘libelous and Copyright’ which is mostly ‘civil law’. It’s up to the owner to decide weather its ‘defamatory or libelous’. Don’t rationalize whether it hurts the owner or not, it’s down to them to decide and at what measure.
Electronic crime is a growing phenomenon. To infringe on copyright, including the layout, brand name and logos embodied on a cover of a magazine, by copying or issuing to the public, whether in whole or in part (which you have) is violation of copyright law.
Your open letter cannot use the ‘Fair use!’ act. Your post is harmful to the publications commercial value of both the work and its writers. I must point out that the DMCA have become a serious threat that jeopardizes ‘fair use!’
US law and British common law are very different, You are correct, I must add that in this case it is not. The Supreme Court has ruled that blogs/posts are similar to news groups, saying “in the context of defamation law, the rights of the institutional media are no greater and no less than those enjoyed by other individuals and organizations engaged in the same activities.”
For bloggers, all Defamation legal rules apply to their posts.
I will not address Boston’s stupidity.
Lisa
You should know whether they’ve asked, you work for Gorezone. I’d be incredibly surprised if you aren’t actually Bryan, sorry Bryn, Hammond.
Correct. His letter cannot use the Fair Use act. UK law uses the concept of ‘Fair Dealing’ instead. As a law student, shouldn’t you know that?
Will you address the fact that all the threatening posts, posts including homophobic comments, threats both towards the website and Jamie himself, appear to originate from gorezone? Or the fact that you yourself are posting from the same IP address?
Thank you for not addressing my stupidity. I’d clearly be very hurt by your intelligence, wit and clear understanding of the law.
The fact you’ve found ALL your information from http://www.ibls.com/internet_law_news_portal_view.aspx?s=latestnews&id=1874 is pretty amazing. I presume your law-school is, in fact, your office at some pride-wounded magazine. And your teacher is one website.
Once again, may I please ask – WHERE DO YOU STUDY LAW?
Thanks,
Stupid Unaddressable Boston
Boston
I thank you for point out a site of law. Maybe Jamie will read it.
Lisa
And then he’d be just as educated on law as you are. Which is basically negligible.
Glad I could help.
Oh, I don’t know if I asked you before, but WHAT LAW-SCHOOL DO YOU ATTEND?
I thank you for point out a sit which includes law information.
Maybe Jamie will read it and see the facts more clearly.
Lisa
He’d be just as educated about UNITED STATES law, yes.
I ask again:
Will you address the fact that all the threatening posts, posts including homophobic comments, threats both towards the website and Jamie himself, appear to originate from gorezone? Or the fact that you yourself are posting from the same IP address?
Lisa, you have gone off the deep end now/
Media criticism is NOT against the law. Not in the US, and not in the UK. If you write a novel, anyone can write a critical review calling it ham-handed and illiterate. It doesn’t matter a bit if it ruins the book’s sales figures, so long as the purpose of the piece is criticism, rather than deliberate harm.
“the rights of the institutional media are no greater and no less than those enjoyed by other individuals and organizations engaged in the same activities.”
Idiot — the meaning of that quote is that BLOGGERS HAVE THE SAME PROTECTIONS AS NEWS MEDIA!!!!
Stop posting stuff that you do not understand!
Stop quoting American law! It’s freakin’ Britain we’re living in!
Jeez, you’re a persistent and maddening lady.
It appears you may have found the libel claim of Stuart Pivar v. Seed Media by typing in “Understanding Internet Defamation” and copying it from their website. While studying law, did you consider perhaps buying a law book? The internet can occasionally be wrong. Or irrelevant – this is a U.S. lawsuit and against a single person. Jamie may be complaining about Gorezone, but it’s a publication, not a person he called a “classic crackpot”.
Where are you studying, Lisa? I want to know, so I never ever hire a lawyer who’s studied there. They clearly breed simpletons.
HAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH No really AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
Never mind having no legs to stand, are you typing with your kneecaps or your tongue?
I am going to go out on a limb here and say you are not actually Lisa, but are infact a man with a penis who can only imagine what a female is like in real life!
On a different note can you get me 100% componsation* on a No win No fee basis? Because want to sue you for abuse of spelling!!
*obviously on purpose :p
Calaen
I have not intrest in what you have to say.
Lisa
Hi Lisa. I’m a teacher. For the record, YOU’RE means you are. YOUR means yours! It’s not rocket science, and YOUR dissertation will thank you.
toothless bullying
Hmm – Lisa did you learn the law by watching bad American films by any chance?
‘Cease and Desist’ orders do not exist in English Law – only injunctions.
I would love to see what sections you think are actionable under English Law 🙂
So you’re saying that in order to criticise a publication of any sort, you have to get permission from the publisher themselves to even mention their name? Hilarious.
Are you saying that there are no “fair dealing” exceptions to copyright?
When a politician gives a speech, he owns his words, but reporters can freely quote the speech as news WITH NO PERMISSION. Jamie is reporting news regarding the horror media. Whether UK courts would view a blogger as a legitimate news source may be questionable (US courts do). Nevertheless, I really doubt you want to take a blogger to court on something like this — not if you ever want to achieve that laughably mythical figure of 400,000 readers.
I’ll be honest, I couldn’t have cared less about this until the threats of legal action started flowing.
I expected better of Gorezone. I would have thought that such a magazine would be proponents of free speech, especially when you consider that they are based around a genre of film that has been continuously hounded by those who would censor or ban it. Seems rather ironic that as soon as they see something they don’t care for themselves, they insist that its banished from existence. This is just horrible bullying tactics by hypocritical freedom haters peeved at one man’s opinion. Surely your dedicated 1/2 million strong readership won’t be affected by the opinions on one little blog? How many of them would even have known about it if you hadn’t kicked up a fuss?
Ausgebombt
I’ve replyed via a post on a legal website that dangerousjamie posted on.
Have to point out that the thread above is libellous. I don’t want to be a kill joy on the party but what ‘dangerousjamie’ seems to forget his comments made come into various brackets:
.Harmful
.Discredit
.Malign
Your post lowers the reputation of the company name in the eyes of right-thinking members of society as you can see from all the comments above.
Your post may cause embarrassment and could affect the reputation of the magazine. Different people may have varying thresholds of embarrassment.
Whilst the post viewed in isolation may appear to be innocuous (having little or no adverse.), its post in your context is conveying damaging imputations, causing the subject to be defamed (Law to attack the good name or reputation of; slander; libel.)
Below is the Deformation of libellous;
adjective defamatory, false, untrue, malicious, maligning, disparaging, vilifying, derogatory, scurrilous, injurious, vituperative, slanderous, traducing, denigratory, calumnious, aspersive.
A little rhyme we are tort in law about the use of a ‘company name’ or a name of a ‘brand’ “Regard your good name as the richest jewel you can possibly be possessed of – for credit is like fire: when once you have kindled it you may easily preserve it, but if you extinguish it, you will find it an arduous task to rekindle it again.”
My advice is to remove the post at your earliest convenience.
Lisa
Yeah, except I haven’t posted on a legal website so that just about exposes you then doesn’t it.
I think Jamie’s probably had enough legal advice for now.
Perhaps he could hire Lisa and GZ Reader to help sue the people who called him a retard, an asshole, a total nob cheese dick etc… for defamation of character?
I look forward to the court battle. Free Jamie!
People take things far too seriously…
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Fuck this thread Lisa and dangerousjamie let the ass get an ass licking!
If he’s studying journalism at Salford University he would no this already. You a stupid bitch to help him.
His comments are only read by himself and he posts under different names.
He clearly hasn’t read gorezone because hes talking bullshit.
Demon Dan, you are clearly a bubbling swamp of hatred and stupidity. Lisa is on Gorezone’s side, so calling her a “stupid bitch” is utterly ridiculous. Unity is essential in any argument, and you’ve just shot yourself in the face.
As you so eloquently said “fuck this thread” then I hope you’ll never write on here again, as you’re basically pointless.
Deformation of libellous?
I have this wonderful mental image of a reject from The Hills Have Eyes, spouting lies from a mouth with too few teeth.
I would humbly suggest that if gorezone lose any readers, its far more likely to be as a result of the abuse people have posted in defense of said magazine, and the heavy handed way this has been dealt with. Can they sue themselves for damaging their own reputation?
Jamie.
That is a very ignorant way of looking at it. Its very clear that your not aware of the serious implications.
“which wasn’t even hosted here, and was found on google images!”
Nothing modern and creative is in the public domain anymore unless the owner explicitly puts it in the public domain(*). Explicitly, as in you have a note from the author/owner saying, “I grant this to the public domain.” Those exact words or words very much like them.
You used an image on https://letsgetdangerous.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/an-open-letter-to-gorezone-magazine/#comment-171 to use as an example to substantiate your post. It is important to remember that when it comes to the law, computers never make copies, only human beings make copies. Computers are given commands, not permission. Did you have permission to use the image you found on google images?
Just to back up my point you should take a look at the 2007 filed case illustrating the application of a libel claim in a blogging case similar to this in NY, Stuart Pivar v. Seed Media, 2007cv07334, Filed August 16, 2007, in New York Southern District Court.
If the oweners ask you to remove defamatory statements from the web and you ignore; if the case went to court they are more than in there rights to get an injunction to block further libel; ask for special damages; and componsation damages for defamation, emotional distress, and loss of reputation.
Seriously you do not have a leg to stand on.
Lisa
For fair use law in the UK this sites pretty good.
http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p27_work_of_others#fair_dealing
The review itself is fine – using the image not fine but no-one whos not insane would sue a student because the costs would exceed any possible damages 🙂
Okay, so we have a lot of people who claim to have an interest in law here. I have a bit of a personal interest in Stylometry. Jamie, you might like to know that at least 7 people posting on here are the same person, as far as I can tell.
Here is a list of all the commenters posting from the same IP address, this list may shock you, or it may not.
GZ Reader
lisamaria
DEMON DAN
Jesse Metcalf fan
Nathan Brown
Liam Jones GZ 4eva
lee
666
callum
stabilo
EB
rob
Jenny B
Kerry Jones
BRYN HAMMOND
Awesome. I suspected as much. Jamie, I think you’ve won this one. I can’t believe people aren’t bored of this yet! Even I’m getting less and less interested….
If all the Gorezone staff spent less time posting on blogs and more time on their beloved publication, then maybe this post would never have even had cause to exist.
Clearly none of the law students here actually know anything about the uk law.
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/ukpga_19880048_en_3#pt1-ch3-pb2-l1g30
Specificly point 30a
This allows for the use of copyright material to be reproduced via fair dealing if it is used for the purposes of criticism or review as long as suitable acknowledgement is given to the copyright holder.
Within the context of the article this is acceptable use.
Seriously, if you are trying to impersonate a legal professional actually learn how and where you find legal information, it’s all out there and published.
Absolutely. No problem with using a magazine cover in order to talk about the contents.
Who ‘tort’ you law Lisa? Wasn’t my cousin Vinny was it?
I want to know who “tort” her the definition of the word ‘rhyme’.
In response to Lisa Marie,
There is something called the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988. Are you aware of it? It seems that you may have skipped this act of parliament in your legal studies.
I would refer you to Chapter III of Part I of the Act which provides for a number of situations where copying or use of a work will not be deemed to infringe the copyright, in effect limitations on the rights of copyright holders.
Included in the list of permitted acts is the following:
“Fair dealing in a work with acknowledgment for the purposes of criticism or review(s. 30)”
I think that fairly covers making some constructive criticism about a small press magazine on a personal online blog. Or do you disagree?
Hi Jamie.
“If the owners highlight the defamatory or libelous statements, as I have requested, then I may review said portions of the post.”
You shouldn’t be making any requests at this point. If the owners have asked you to remove the post; I presume they have? Don’t answer that openley. They are looking at the post as a whole, as being, either or, defamatory or libelous. If I was representing the publication i would go for ‘libelous and Copyright’ which is mostly ‘civil law’. It’s up to the owner to decide weather its ‘defamatory or libelous’. Don’t rationalize whether it hurts the owner or not, it’s down to them to decide and at what measure.
Electronic crime is a growing phenomenon. To infringe on copyright, including the layout, brand name and logos embodied on a cover of a magazine, by copying or issuing to the public, whether in whole or in part (which you have) is violation of copyright law.
Your open letter cannot use the ‘Fair use!’ act. Your post is harmful to the publications commercial value of both the work and its writers. I must point out that the DMCA have become a serious threat that jeopardizes ‘fair use!’
US law and British common law are very different, You are correct, I must add that in this case it is not. The Supreme Court has ruled that blogs/posts are similar to news groups, saying “in the context of defamation law, the rights of the institutional media are no greater and no less than those enjoyed by other individuals and organizations engaged in the same activities.”
For bloggers, all Defamation legal rules apply to their posts.
I will not address Boston’s stupidity.
Lisa
This is bollocks, Lisa. Could I sue for a bad review of my records? It might negatively affect sales, but that doesn’t mean I’ve been damaged or libelled.
Lisa, Lisa, Lisa,
“Your open letter cannot use the ‘Fair use!’ act. Your post is harmful to the publications commercial value of both the work and its writers. ”
This is utter nonsense, were it not every art/theatre/music/film critic in the country (which is the UK!!!) would be mopping the floors in Wormwood Scrubs right now.
Sarah
Your very bright, lol
Lisa
‘Fair Dealing’ or ‘Fair Use’ are the same. The DMCA apply in both cases.
When making refreance’s to the gore zone readers in concern’s to there intelegent post’s, do the same rules apply to the both of you? Arnie, Sarah.
I will not comment further on either of your posts as they are both juvenal and unnecessary. Jamie asked for guidance and I have given him my food for thought.
Jamie if you need further help email me or call your local citizens advice.
If you are out and about I sugest you pick up the books on Media Law by Geoffrey Robertson Andrew Nicol.
Lisa
Hi
‘Fair Dealing’ or ‘Fair Use’ are the same. The DMCA apply in both cases.
When making refreance’s to the gore zone readers in concern’s to there intelegent post’s, do the same rules apply to the both of you? Arnie, Sarah.
I will not comment further on either of your posts as they are both juvenal and unnecessary. Jamie asked for guidance and I have given him my food for thought.
Jamie if you need further help email me or call your local citizens advice.
If you are out and about I sugest you pick up the books on Media Law by Geoffrey Robertson Andrew Nicol.
Lisa
I’ll go out on a limb here, and say what half of us are thinking… just fuck off will you.
It’s really quite dramatically astonishing to find such a large number of illiterate no-hopers all posting from the same IP address. Perhaps Lisa Marie can use her advanced googling abilities to look up ‘IP address’ and see how they can be used to track internet usage.
I echo Louise in asking for clarification as to how it is that these posts appear to be coming from gorezone.
Is this still going? 🙂
Awesome. Loving the IP discovery Mr Dangerous.
What I love more is the fact that everyone thinks they’re an authority on the Law. You may have seen Law & Order, Murphy’s Law, The Good Wife, A Time To Kill and Ally McBeal but it doesn’t give you a degree.
The comments made towards Jamie as Louise above said are far worse than a well constructed blog post.
I’m off out to buy the SFX Horror Special now 🙂 The editor seems like a nice fella
take that as a no then.
everyone posting from that IP address is a complete joke.
No doubt the 12 (6? 2? 1?) or so of you are still checking this every day.
Grow some balls. Where’s the explanation?
This thread has kept me more entertained than any magazine could ever dream…
This is hilarious! I literally can’t believe what an uproar this innocuous post has led to. Funny thing is that I’ve purchased a few copies of Gorezone over the years because of an seemingly interesting topic has been plugged on the cover. Funny thing is that I consistently find grammatical and spelling errors.
However, that’s not the point! I’ve never heard of this blog before today. I don’t know who Dangerous Jamie is, nor do I have any knowledge of his previous postings. What I do know is that this post is an intelligent “calling out” of an organization who, I assume, claims to be reputable.
Worthwhile organizations would take this kind of honest criticism and challenge themselves to make their product better. Bitter organizations would take offense to this and bust out the name-calling and start with the personal attacks on the critic. I realize that most of these posts disparaging Jamie are from readers of Gorezone, but I would submit Gorezone to take this criticism as a challenge and use it to make yourselves better! Isn’t that what life is all about?
In this day and age of vicious competition in most areas of business, only those organizations who are constantly attempting to better themselves survive… Let’s hope Gorezone takes the high road from here on out.
P.S. Feel free to call me a bunch of dirty names. Since I’m not from England, I don’t know what half the insults that have been slung around this comment board mean anyway.
Oh… one last thing… Don’t worry about the stupid bitch who thinks she’s a lawyer… She apparently feels the need to puff herself up, but in the end, she doesn’t know shit about the whole deal… Fucking Undergrads…
I see no scathing assault on Gorezone here. Just a rationally executed reader’s letter to a magazine citing his concerns as to its direction and editorial prowess.
Just wanted to jump in and offer support for Jamie. Regardless of anything else, he’s entitled to an opinion and entitled to state it. Gorezone protests too much. Stand tall, Jamie – you’ve done nothing wrong.
Well, I hadn’t gotten around to getting hold of this magazine and Jamie’s comments didn’t really sway me one way or the other. However, the insulting comments on here from GoreZone fans have pretty much made up my mind for me.
His comments were simply his views of the magazine in question and didn’t really warrant personal attacks or threats.
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What a bunch of pussies. If the rag sucks, fix it. Don’t complain about getting called out on it.
Hey, Jamie, I submitted this to Techdirt, and they wrote up an article about it. Hopefully it will help build more support for ya.
http://techdirt.com/articles/20100302/1303338368.shtml
Last summer I inquired about possibly writing for Gorezone, and was shocked to learn the pittance they offer freelancers — far less than I was paying during Fangoria’s first year in 1979! After 40 years in publishing, I have some idea of how much lavish color and slick paper cost — it’s all a waste if you haven’t any respect for the words you are printing.
Don’t take down the letter, criticism is not defamation! The mag knows they suck, and that’s why they feel the need to threaten legal. They now suck even more.
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Totally true and justified criticism… the job of a critic mustn’t be damaged by people who are supposed to be in the business of criticism themselves. They are behaving like hypocritical cowards.
lisa: Currently I am developing skills in legal analysis and reasoning.
reasoning!? you are only now developing skills in reasoning… jesus.
I don’t know if you get RUE MORGUE over across the pond but the Canadian horror mag is simply the best around.
Jamie, I would just like to lend my support here. As a customer if you are going to for any professional publication, the least the editor can do is make sure that the content is proof read and carries a contempary feel for the subject matter.
I am not sure if I would hav gone to the effort of writing a letter myself, but good on you for doing so.
All the best.
ZenEmu
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I have to side with Jamie on this one… If Gorezone is the best magazine that the UK can produce then there is no justice in the world.
Jamie… You’re not the only one asking Gorezone to pull its finger out… I recently found this place online…
http://gorezonewatch.blogspot.com/
I subscribe to GoreZone at the moment. I attended the GoreZone weekend last year and intend to do so again this October. I have also attended FrightFest in the past. I go along to see the films that I might not otherwise get a chance to see.
I have to agree with dangerousjamie regarding grammar and spelling in GoreZone magazine. It has got better in the reviews recently, particularly in the DVD reviews, but it is appalling in the readers’ letters. I struggle to read them and often just skip through them.
I like to try to support horror in all it’s forms but I won’t be renewing my subscription unless there is a little more attention paid to the spelling and grammar in GoreZone – it just hurts my head to re-read something five or six times to get the sense of what is trying to be said!
Also I’m quite sad that Dean Boor has left the magazine as I had a chat with him at the weekender and he was lovely. I did actually mention how much the spelling/grammar got on my wick and he took it on board in a gentlemanly fashion!
Everyone is entitled to their opinion of a publication. If a person chooses to defame someone/a publication by saying something that is categorically untrue about them/it, they may have to defend their claims in court.
If GoreZone’s fans are happy, good for them and for the magazine’s team. If GoreZone isn’t the product you want in terms of style and content, go elsewhere – there are other magazines on the UK horror market now (both priced and free).
Very few magazines these days are actually completely gramatically correct. Yes, it’s an irritation, but in terms of journalism you can argue that it doesn’t really matter unless it means you can’t understand what the writer is trying to say.
By the way, Suggesting that someone is “gay”, and that this is an insult, is an offense covered under UK Hate Crime laws. The person you are calling gay (disabled, black etc etc) may not care, but any witness can report you to the police themselves. Sure, nobody will bother on here, but if you ever do it in public you could find yourself arrested. Bryn posted something about GoreZone’s equality policy on their forum before it was taken down.
In the interests of transparency: I write for a number of horror magazines and am a lecturer.
I’m not sure who the bit about hate crimes is aimed at, but I just want to clarify that it was GoreZone readers who were throwing the G word around. Also grammatical issues can be an annoyance, but the level to which it existed within the issues of the magazine that lead me to write this post was so drastically large that I couldn’t just gloss over it.
At the time, there was very little in terms of other UK horror magazines but I do take your comments on board. The brunt of it though, is that I am allowed to state my opinions on a magazine without threat of attack. From matching IP addresses. Which include the comments from Bryn Hammond.
But thank you for your comments, Karen. I do appreciate intelligent debate, as opposed to threats and insults, so this comment was a welcome change.
I’ve never heard of this magazine, but thanks for this article. I am very concerned with the place of women (and the way the community ignores female fans so often) and it’s good to see another guy is on our side. 🙂
Since the internet is mostly a place for posting opinions (bad or good), the kind of comments you’re getting on here is surprising. Good luck.
Hiya,
I just read the GZ magazine which is posted on their website… just to check the spelling… I couldn’t believe that one article heading about a work by author Stephen King calls him STEVEN King !! Now that is absolutely terrible.
Also what is the photo story about? Why? I thought the magazine was about horror films.
I also read the online Frightfest magazine and recommend people start reading that instead… great articles, proper interviews with people who matter and good reviews.
I also question the GZ readership figures… I looked up figures of UK magazines and couldn’t find GZ in the top 50, whose readership figures went down to 88,000… so what does that mean? Maybe GZ isn’t as big as it wants us to think. That would explain a few things:
1) the lack of editorial skill.
2)the lack of good interviews.
3) their anger at Jamie’s blog.
well done Jamie.
GZ is a sad excuse for a horror mag. The age old mag Hammer House of Horror was a billion times better, as is Fango. I miss Darkside… for all its faults it too was miles better than GZ.
And I agree it is mysoginistic… just because the bimbo writers like having their tits on every page it doesn’t mean it can’t be mysoginistic.
I make horror films BTW and have used an alias here so as not to be placed in one camp or another.
I just hope that GZ reads these criticisms and instead of reacting like they have, try and improve the content and spelling in their magazine. Maybe then they might get close to those inflated readership figures that editor Bryn likes dropping at any opportunity.
Dean Boor fans, check out the new bi-monthly British Horror Mag Shock Horror –
http://www.shockhorrormagazine.com/
I just took a quick look at their site (never heard of them I’m from the US) and a quick note of what I thought. There is hardly any horror on their covers whatsoever it might as well be a maxim or a playboy cover (which I believe is what they are going for a bloodied up playboy which there is nothing wrong with) Their logo is a play on the playboy bunny as well more fuel for the bloodied up playboy argument. I’m working on my own gore magazine but won’t be covering ANY of the movies because everyone else does that.. I’ll be covering models, photographers, artists, musicians, tattoos etc. that all have a horror theme. Check out the site: gorenoir.com
LOTR is the best